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Karma Power: 12 | Milk thistle/ Silymarin/ Silybin CONTENT Milk thistle for liver protection Milk thistle is very effective in treating amatoxin poisoning. It seems to decrease liver-related mortality in alcoholic and hepatitis B or C liver diseases. Silybin+vitamin E+ phospholipids produces some therapeutic effects in patients with different forms of chronic liver damage. Milk thistle does not affect viral load or improve liver histology in hepatitis B or C. Milk thistle + the prostate No "in vivo" human studies on the effect of milk thistle have been done/finished yet. All reviews (4), in vitro studies (11), and rat/mouse studies (4) show a positive effect of milk thistle in preventing/treating prostate cancer. Other studies Silybin-beta-cyclodextrin causes a significant decrease in both glucose and triglyceride plasma levels. "Normal" silybin shows no effect on fasting blood glucose. Bioavailability + dosages Liverman capsules are more effective than leganon and silymarin tablets. Silipide reaches much higher bile and plasma silybin concentrations than silymarin. Complexation with phosphatidylcholine in IdB 1016 greatly increases the oral bioavailability of silybin. 420 mg has therapeutic potential in alcoholic cirrhosis. 20-48 mg/kg/day is a promising antidote for acute mushroom poisoning. Side effects Only rare case reports of gastrointestinal disturbances and allergic skin rashes have been published. MILK THISTLE FOR LIVER PROTECTION: Citaat:
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REFERENCES: M403)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...919&query_hl=1 M405)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...187&query_hl=1 M407)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...916&query_hl=1 M409)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...756&query_hl=1 M415)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...501&query_hl=1 M416)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...709&query_hl=1 M417)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...784&query_hl=1 M418 )http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...659&query_hl=1 M419)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...257&query_hl=1 M420)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...177&query_hl=1 M421)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...645&query_hl=1 M701)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...849&query_hl=1 M702)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...315&query_hl=1 M703)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...941&query_hl=1 M704)http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...ull/20/11/2101 M801)http://www.aafp.org/afp/20051001/1285.html M802)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...671&query_hl=1 M803)http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/32/6/587 M804)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...278&query_hl=1 M805)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...634&query_hl=1 M806)http://www.aafp.org/afp/20011101/1555.html M807)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...709&query_hl=1 M808 )http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...434&query_hl=1 M809)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...377&query_hl=1 M810)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...780&query_hl=1 M811)http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...770&query_hl=1
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| Super Moderator | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
Nice. Als je je post edit dat de smileys uitstaan verplaats ik hem even naar de Leerzame Threads sectie.
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CONCLUSION: The present results show hepatoprotective effects of silymarin in androgenic-anabolic steroid induced liver damage (M403). ja leuk, maar heeft het ook invloed op de effectiviteit van de AAS, of welk ander medicijn dan ook for that matter.. ik denk dat daar de meesten hier geinterreseerd in zijn
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| Alpha Male | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
daarom ook altijd na de nakuur gebruiken..ivm het invloed hebben op aas en medicijnen.. goei post big'r!!!
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BioDrugs 2001;15(7):465-89 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Silymarin: a review of its clinical properties in the management of hepatic disorders. Wellington K, Jarvis B. Adis International Limited, Auckland, New Zealand. demail@adis.co.nz The mechanisms of action of silymarin involve different biochemical events, such as the stimulation of the synthetic rate of ribosomal RNA (rRNA) species through stimulation of polymerase I and rRNA transcription, protecting the cell membrane from radical-induced damage and blockage of the uptake of toxins such as alpha-amanitin. Studies in patients with liver disease have shown that silymarin increases superoxide dismutase (SOD) activity of lymphocytes and erythrocytes, as well as the expression of SOD in lymphocytes. Silymarin has also been shown to increase patient serum levels of glutathione and glutathione peroxidase. Silybin 20 to 48 mg/kg/day has shown promise as a clinical antidote to acute Amanita (deathcap mushroom) poisoning. Primary efficacy data from 3 trials which examined the therapeutic potential of silymarin in patients with cirrhosis, and included patient survival as an end-point, demonstrated that silymarin had no significant beneficial effect on patient mortality. However, upon subanalysis, silymarin 420 mg/day had a significantly beneficial effect on patient survival rate (compared with patients receiving placebo) in 1 randomised, double-blind trial in patients with alcoholic cirrhosis. Silymarin 420 mg/day was also shown to improve indices of liver function [AST, ALT, gamma-glutamyl transferase and bilirubin] in patients with liver disease of various aetiology, including those exposed to toxic levels of toluene or xylene; however, it was largely ineffective in patients with viral hepatitis. Reports of adverse events while receiving silymarin therapy are rare. However, there have been accounts of nausea, epigastric discomfort, arthralgia, pruritus, headache and urticaria. Silymarin has also been reported to have possibly caused a mild laxative effect. CONCLUSION: The antioxidant properties of silymarin (a mixture of at least 4 closely related flavonolignans, 60 to 70% of which is a mixture of 2 diastereomers of silybin) have been demonstrated in vitro and in animal and human studies. However, studies evaluating relevant health outcomes associated with these properties are lacking. Although silymarin has low oral absorption, oral dosages of 420 mg/day have shown some therapeutic potential, with good tolerability, in the treatment of alcoholic cirrhosis. Moreover, silybin 20 to 48 mg/kg/day has shown promise as an antidote for acute mushroom poisoning by Amanita phalloides; however, further studies paying attention to the amount of ingested mushroom and time elapsed before administration of treatment are needed to clarify its role in this indication. Studies in patients with the early onset of liver disease may demonstrate the liver regeneration properties that silymarin is promoted as possessing. Drugs 2001;61(14):2035-63 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut The use of silymarin in the treatment of liver diseases. Saller R, Meier R, Brignoli R. Abteilung Naturheilkunde, University Hospital Zurich, Switzerland. The high prevalence of liver diseases such as chronic hepatitis and cirrhosis underscores the need for efficient and cost-effective treatments. The potential benefit of silymarin (extracted from the seeds of Silybum marianum or milk thistle) in the treatment of liver diseases remains a controversial issue. Therefore, the objective of this review is to assess the clinical efficacy and safety of silymarin by application of systematic approach. 525 references were found in the databases, of which 84 papers were retained for closer examination and 36 were deemed suitable for detailed analysis. Silymarin has metabolic and cell-regulating effects at concentrations found in clinical conditions, namely carrier-mediated regulation of cell membrane permeability, inhibition of the 5-lipoxygenase pathway, scavenging of reactive oxygen species (ROS) of the R-OH type and action on DNA-expression, for example, via suppression of nuclear factor (NF)-kappaB. Pooled data from case record studies involving 452 patients with Amanita phalloides poisoning show a highly significant difference in mortality in favour of silibinin [the main isomer contained in silymarin] (mortality 9.8% vs 18.3% with standard treatment; p < 0.01). The available trials in patients with toxic (e.g. solvents) or iatrogenic (e.g. antispychotic or tacrine) liver diseases, which are mostly outdated and underpowered, do not enable any valid conclusions to be drawn on the value of silymarin. The exception is an improved clinical tolerance of tacrine. In spite of some positive results in patients with acute viral hepatitis, no formally valid conclusion can be drawn regarding the value of silymarin in the treatment of these infections. Although there were no clinical end-points in the four trials considered in patients with alcoholic liver disease, histological findings were reported as improved in two out of two trials, improvement of prothrombin time was significant (two trials pooled) and liver transaminase levels were consistently lower in the silymarin-treated groups. Therefore, silymarin may be of use as an adjuvant in the therapy of alcoholic liver disease. Analysis was performed on five trials with a total of 602 patients with liver cirrhosis. The evidence shows that, compared with placebo, silymarin produces a nonsignificant reduction of total mortality by -4.2% [odds ratio (OR) 0.75 (0.5 - 1.1)]; but that, on the other hand, the use of silymarin leads to a significant reduction in liver-related mortality of-7% [OR: 0.54 (0.3 - 0.9); p < 0.01]. An individual trial reported a reduction in the number of patients with encephalopathy of -8.7% [p = 0.06). In one study of patients with cirrhosis-related diabetes mellitus, the insulin requirement was reduced by -25% [p < 0.01). We conclude that available evidence suggests that silymarin may play a role in the therapy of [alcoholic) liver cirrhosis. Silymarin is has a good safety record and only rare case reports of gastrointestinal disturbances and allergic skin rashes have been published. This review does not aim to replace future prospective trials aiming to provide the 'final' evidence of the efficacy of silymarin. Effects of silymarin flavonolignans and synthetic silybin derivatives on estrogen and aryl hydrocarbon receptor activation. Pliskova M, Vondracek J, Kren V, Gazak R, Sedmera P, Walterova D, Psotova J, Simanek V, Machala M. Veterinary Research Institute, Brno, Czech Republic. Silymarin, a standardized mixture of flavonolignans, or its major constituents could be effective for prevention and treatment of hepatic damage or skin cancer. However, their potential side effects, such as modulation of endocrine functions via the disruption of estrogen receptor (ER) and/or aryl hydrocarbon receptor (AhR) activation, are largely unknown. In the present study, we investigated impact of silymarin, its constituents and a series of their synthetic derivatives on ER- and AhR-mediated activities using in vitro reporter gene assays. We found that none of the compounds under study affected the AhR-mediated activity in rat hepatoma cells. Contrary to that, several compounds behaved as either partial or full ER agonists. Silymarin elicited partial ER activation, with silybin B being probably responsible for a majority of the weak ER-mediated activity of silymarin; silybin A and other flavonolignans were found to be inactive and potent ER agonist taxifolin is only a minor constituent of silymarin. To our knowledge, this is probably the first time, when receptor-specific in vitro effects of separated diastereomers have been demonstrated. In contrast to silymarin constituents, the synthetic silybin derivatives, potentially useful as chemoprotective agents, did not modulate the ER-mediated activity, with exception of 23-O-pivaloylsilybin. Interestingly, 7-O-benzylsilybin potentiated ER-mediated activity of 17beta-estradiol despite possessing no estrogenic activity. In conclusion, our data suggest that estrogenicity of some silymarin constituents should be taken in account as their potential side effect when considered as chemopreventive compounds. These results also stress the need to study biological activities of purified or synthesized diastereomers of silybin derivatives. 4cc |
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| Advanced Bodybuilder | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
welke dosering dien je die mariadistel dan te nemen ?
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Wanneer je geel uitslaat (wat af en toe wil gebeuren bij overgevoelige mensen of onverantwoord gebruik), zou ik er zelf gedurende een aantal weken 1000 mg in rammen!
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| Administrator | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
Idd goed product, en niet chemisch wat een grote plus is. Wel na de kuur niet tijdens idd.
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| Cool Novice | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
wat moet je maria destel niet tijdens een kuur nemen ik gebruik nu deca en d-anabool,maria distel helpt toch je lever te reinigen |
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| fear me! | Re: Mariadistel informatie!
Als je mariadistel nu al tijdens de kuur gaat gebruiken, terwijl je aan de tabs zit. Dan gaat je lever de stoffen nog meer gaan afbreken waardoor je minder werkzaamstof in je hebt. Daarom dat je mariadistel alleen maar na je NAkuur mag gebruiken. (en niet vlak na de kuur, want je moet ook nog nakuren met nolva/clomid wat ook in tabvorm is). |
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Oct 2004 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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geldt dit alleen voor tabs? ^o)
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Oct 2004 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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oh dat is interressant, kun je dit verder beargumenteren/ondersteunen?
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