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[Starter20]

Origineel gepost door snoob

pullups zijn pronated, chins supinated. Wijd of smal maakt niet uit

raar, pronated kom ik niet verder dan net met men kin boven de stang (vandaar dat ik die altijd chins noem) en supinated trek ik altijd me bovenkant borst tegen de stang (dus pullup want me kin zit er ver boven )

gijs, enlighten us!

[Vladi]

Origineel gepost door snoob

pullups zijn pronated, chins supinated. Wijd of smal maakt niet uit

Hehe, zo dacht ik het ook.

Is dus zo te zien erg onduidelijk.

Origineel gepost door Starter20

raar, pronated kom ik niet verder dan net met men kin boven de stang (vandaar dat ik die altijd chins noem) en supinated trek ik altijd me bovenkant borst tegen de stang (dus pullup want me kin zit er ver boven )

gijs, enlighten us!

Met supinated/onderhands kom je hoger dus maak je sneller chins.
Wie zal het ons zeggen wat het moet zijn.

[victormor]

Pronated raak ik met de bovenkant van mijn borst gewoon de stang.... supinated ook gewoon.

[snoob]

Echt ingewikkeld is het niet:

The chin-up and the pull-up both work the same basic muscle groups, the lats, biceps and gripping muscles. Chin-ups are performed with a supinated grip (palms facing) and pull-ups are done with a pronated grip (palms facing away). Chin-ups are easier to perform because the biceps (prime mover) are in a more advantageous pulling position. The chin-up also strongly recruits the lats and the pecs. There are many variations of the chin-up that can target various parts of the upper torso. Keeping the back strongly arched and touching the sternum to the bar is a great lat, pec bicep exercise. Rounding the back and bringing the knees slightly foreward as the chin clears the bar, is a great bicep, lat, abdominal movement. In all chinning movements, it is important to keep the hands about shoulder width. Using a wider grip can cause elbow and shoulder injuries. The average college age trainee, 5'9", 155 lbs. can do 9 chin-ups. That would be equivalent to doing one chin with 35 lbs.
The pull-up is more difficult than the chin-up because the biceps cannot be fully utilized. The average male is 30% weaker in the pull-up than the chin-up. The pull-up became popular in physical education programs after WWII. It was found that many soldiers lacked the ability to pull themselves over high walls and fences. The military took steps to address this issue with the inclusion of pull-ups during basic training. This trickled down into the public school PE programs. The pull-up utilizes the upper body pulling muscles similar to climbing over a wall, fence, side of a ship or through a open window. Because the hands are pronated, the elbows move down and back during the pull. This places a strong emphasis on the rear shoulder girdle and upper back. With the pull-up, there is much less pectoral involvement. Also, the brachio-radialus, a large upper arm muscle under the bicep, is strongly involved. The pull-up mimicks 'real world' activity. In performance, the hand placement should be slightly wider than shoulder width. At the top, attempt to touch the throat foreward to the bar. Be careful of certain close grip variations like sternum pull-ups. These can really irritate the elbows.
The weak link in both exercises is the grip and upper arm. These muscles always fatigue much sooner than the large muscles of the upper back and rear shoulder. I tend to think of these movements more as upper arm and grip exercises than back exercises. For body building purposes, stick with the chin-up. For tactical and functional strength, go with pull-ups.

Chin-ups vs pull-ups: Kettlebells, Strength, Fitness, Martial Arts

[JoHn87]

The Pull-Up

[Starter20]

ik word er stil van.

[willem9]

Origineel gepost door snoob

Echt ingewikkeld is het niet:

The chin-up and the pull-up both work the same basic muscle groups, the lats, biceps and gripping muscles. Chin-ups are performed with a supinated grip (palms facing) and pull-ups are done with a pronated grip (palms facing away). Chin-ups are easier to perform because the biceps (prime mover) are in a more advantageous pulling position. The chin-up also strongly recruits the lats and the pecs. There are many variations of the chin-up that can target various parts of the upper torso. Keeping the back strongly arched and touching the sternum to the bar is a great lat, pec bicep exercise. Rounding the back and bringing the knees slightly foreward as the chin clears the bar, is a great bicep, lat, abdominal movement. In all chinning movements, it is important to keep the hands about shoulder width. Using a wider grip can cause elbow and shoulder injuries. The average college age trainee, 5'9", 155 lbs. can do 9 chin-ups. That would be equivalent to doing one chin with 35 lbs.
The pull-up is more difficult than the chin-up because the biceps cannot be fully utilized. The average male is 30% weaker in the pull-up than the chin-up. The pull-up became popular in physical education programs after WWII. It was found that many soldiers lacked the ability to pull themselves over high walls and fences. The military took steps to address this issue with the inclusion of pull-ups during basic training. This trickled down into the public school PE programs. The pull-up utilizes the upper body pulling muscles similar to climbing over a wall, fence, side of a ship or through a open window. Because the hands are pronated, the elbows move down and back during the pull. This places a strong emphasis on the rear shoulder girdle and upper back. With the pull-up, there is much less pectoral involvement. Also, the brachio-radialus, a large upper arm muscle under the bicep, is strongly involved. The pull-up mimicks 'real world' activity. In performance, the hand placement should be slightly wider than shoulder width. At the top, attempt to touch the throat foreward to the bar. Be careful of certain close grip variations like sternum pull-ups. These can really irritate the elbows.
The weak link in both exercises is the grip and upper arm. These muscles always fatigue much sooner than the large muscles of the upper back and rear shoulder. I tend to think of these movements more as upper arm and grip exercises than back exercises. For body building purposes, stick with the chin-up. For tactical and functional strength, go with pull-ups.

Chin-ups vs pull-ups: Kettlebells, Strength, Fitness, Martial Arts

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[g-men]

Ik ga mee met Snoob ook al zijn er altijd velen die zeggen dat er geen verschil is en blabla. Ik heb altijd geleerd, Chins zijn supinated en pull ups pronated. Maar ach mijn record op chins is 17x en pull ups 16x dus veel verschil is er bij mij niet.

Vandaag

(eerst weer 30 min fietsen naar gym)

Oef 1 Powerclean
8x60
5x80
3x90
1x100
Fx110 3x een poging gedaan en kwam zelfs op de borst maar dan geen goede balans, hij zat er net niet in.
2x100
2x100
2x100

Oef 2 incline benchpress
10x100
10x100
8x100 - 1x100 -1x100
6x100

Oef 3 Biceps curl (rechte st)
15x30
12x40
10x50
8x55
6x60
3x65 - 1x60 - 6x50 - 6x40

Best nice met stijve biceps van rug gister, maar nog geen Sossa

[RubenSossa]

toch nette training hoor! Curls komen vanzelf wel..

[g-men]

Oke als ze vanzelf komen stop ik weer met curlen en ga ik lekker op de bank liggen

[g-men]

Vandaag weer strongman in Voorschoten met Jacco en Matthieu, mijn broertje en nog een hele groep. Was erg gezellig.

Oef 1 IFSA log.
3x80
1x80
1x80 (rotknikje in schouder wegwerken)
1x90
1x100
1x105
1x110
Fx115
Fx115
1x110
Fx115 (fuc*ing close)

Oef 2 Stones (deze keer bleek de steen waarvan we dachten dat ie 140 was 130 te zijn dus sportieve wraak op de 140 deze keer!)

Run van 70-90-100-110-120
Fx140
1x140 PR (140cm) (paar techniek tips van JP maakte het verschil)
Run op tijd 70-90-100-110-120 (31.72) (filmpje komt)

Mijn broertje liet ook zien over de juiste instelling te beschikken door op de 1e training ook de 90 te racken na alleen paar maanden training.

Oef 3 Tire Flips (380kg)
8 flips op tijd was het doel. 1e poging: 1minuut7sec
Matthieu deed het in 47sec dus 2e poging: 56 sec. Beter maar moet nog beter!

Oef 4 Farmers walk. Kijken hoe ver ik kwam met de 120
120kg 52m PR
130kg 20m (filmpje komt)


Ook hier liet mijn broertje zijn instelling zien met 60kg 100m en 80kg 60m.

Oef 5 thick bar cleans (1eX)
10x70kg
1x90kg
1x100kg (filmpje komt)

Fijne training.

[dave7777]

goed getraind gijs

[Starter20]

jezus die thick bar is echt een bitch om te cleanen respect voor die 100 man... ook top dat je nu die 110 wel had @ log

echt een toptraining

[Strongman]

Gefeliciteerd met je pr's volgens mij ben jij wel goed in lopen met gewichten of niet?

[Frenkpie]

nette training kerel !

[JoHn87]

Die axle is idd lastig cleanen!

Volgende keer wat sneller op de tires!!

[Willy7]

Vond het maar een beetje magertjes wat je deed

[g-men]

filmpjes erin gezet!

[gabenn]

mooie filmpjes

[snoob]

Ziet er goed uit