==Dangerous Supplement SECRETAGOGUE-1 might cause CFJ Disease (BSE in Human Beings)==

[RaymondHan]

Mike,

First of all I have to make my compliments for your website; nice design, nice layout, prices are reasonable and plenty of choice!

But not to be rude to you; one of the supplements you offer is ; Secretagogue1 from MHP.

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=523

You know that this could potentially cause Creutz Feldt Jacob disease (BSE in human beings).


This contains 25 mg anterior pituitary substance from animals (Vertaling: hypofyse extract van dieren).

The American Food and Drug Administration is not happy with this, because also in the USA you guys are not allowed to put this in your supplements. But supplementmakers protected by the law of Orrin Hatch can do what they want. And you Yankees bring this shit to the European Market?? Athletes who take their sports seriously can become a vitim of this, without knowing this at all (there is no warning whatsoever about the potential risks they run, taking this supplement). I have a serious problem with that.


Personally I am not happy with this. And according to me it is right that the government will prevent this by law. It is even more dangerous than anabolic steroids. With AAS the user knows at least the consequencies, beforehand. I know that the real bad guys are the supplementmakers MHP, but people like yourself are distributing this shit to our and other countries within Europe. And Dutch customs are the most easiest in the world, as you might already know. Don't you feel an own responsibility for that??

Question to you; Knowing now that Secretagogue-1 might potentially cause CFJ Disease on human beings, are you still intending re-selling this, and will you continue advertising it in the future on your website??

My opinion is that if you do not put this shit out of your stock, you are not even better than the US Supplement makers ; MHP. . What credibility do you have on other supplements, you offer? And what guarantee do we have as your customers? I could not be sure if supplements offered by 1Fast400 are always safe (obviously they are not).

As a father of my children, I would not be very happy, if they could easilly order this via your website, and it will be delivered as "gifts". Especially if they notice later (and the incubation time could be over 30 years) that they have CFJ Disease.

Believe me, If this should overcome me or my family, both supplement maker and distributor better be warned; I will become your greatest nightmare.

You should pay more attention what products you offer on your website.

However it is the customers own responsibility what supplement he takes , this does not mean that the manufacturer of the supplement should neglect producing a good product, including an enclosure with the possible health risks. If you buy junkfood or sigarettes, you know beforehand what the potential risks are. In this case a supplement is issued on the market without noticing the consumer at all, whatsoever. That is the major difference here.

If your anabolic steroid dealer offers you bullshit, I bet you will be pissed of as well. I would see your face, assuming you inject sustanon, and it contains something extra, making you sick, with a potentially risk you might die.

A similar comparison could be made with this supplement, MHP promisses the consumer this:

Increase in Lean Body Mass
Stronger Bones
Improved Heart and Kidney Function
Tighter and Smoother Skin
Enhanced Energy Levels
Strengthened Immune System
Sharper Memory and Concentration
Decrease in Body Fat Without Exercise
Improved Exercise Capacity

Wouldn't you take this supplement after reading the above mentioned?
MHP is not telling the consumer that there are potential health risks, because MHP puts in also parts of brains of animals in this fucking supplement. And brains of animals are always a risk, whether it comes from human beings,cows, sheep, pigs, or mice. It could be potential source, where prions like to nest in.

There is another difference with junkfood,sigarettes,alcohol and anabolic steroids here; when you stop using them all negative side effects will disappear. In this case the consumer might get something extra (prions), what he definately does not ask for, and the worst thing is that he can't get rid of it.

My opinion is that the dealer should have his own responsibility in this. If the dealer does not know he is reselling bullshit, you can not blame him for that, I agree. But if he does know about the dangers for his clients, and is still reselling this product for commercial reasons, this makes him as guilty as the supplement maker. At least he could add an enclosure, warning the consumers.

I wonder what you are doing, knowing now that that specific MHP supplement is a potential danger for human well being. Keep in mind that in Europe we kill all animals with BSE, and besides, potential parts of the animal, like the brains, are destroyed, to prevent prions causing CFJ disease. This is not only done for cows, but for sheeps and pigs ass well.

Once prion diseases infect a body, the proteins change shape and, with a kiss of death, turn their neighbors into clones of themselves. Clumps of misshapen proteins form, overwhelming neurons and poking holes in the brain. Death is inevitable. And then American supplement makers can easily put anterior pituitary substance (vertaling: hypofyses ) in supplements, just like that? I have no words for that at all! And it does not matter from what animal this anterior pituitary substance has been extracted; pigs, sheep or cows; brain material is always a potential risk on prions. Even in pigs and sheep a similar disease with the same symptoms as BSE (in cows) has been discovered, recently. Check out this link;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12793786

,,Incidental findings in the brains of unexposed pigs are described that could otherwise give rise to concerns about the presence of a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy in pig populations around the world.''

It is a major difference when MHP brings Secretagogue-1 on the market, warning the consumers explicitly on an enclosure that it might potentially contain prions, causing CFJ on a later moment in life. If you take it then, it is your choice and risk to become sick, and then you do not have the right to complain afterwards.

Especially boy teenagers on the age of 16 or 17 have only one thing in their mind; become big as fast as possible, no matter how or what they have to take, and against what risk they run. The enclosure can change their mind, and make them think twice before taking it. There is no enclosure with Secretagogue-1 whatsoever and on the internet they can order this easily (for instance via Mike's website; www.1Fast400.com), without any control, whatsoever.

My advice to all; If you buy Secretagogue-1 , carefully keep your receipts of your payments and the initial confirmation of your shoppinglists, (especially from whom you have bought it), as well as the freight packing lists of the delivery. This could be usefull evidence for your family lawyer, if you might get terribly ill in the future. A couple of millions of Euros could compensate the wounds of your family members, if they lose you.


And Mike; As of now you can not deny anymore that you have not known the potential health risks of this supplement, in case a client of you will order Secretagogue-1 after today via your website, he can blame you to be responsible as well.


Appologize if I sound too much aggresive to Mike, but this is my personal opinion, and that might be different from yours, but that's why this is a free country and an open forum for. We do not have to necesarilly agree with each other, do we?

My opinion is that you should take this out of your collection or either warn the consumer about the possible health risks for moral reasons.

Further; no hard feelings,

Regards,

Ray

[axestream]

Bro, sounds like you have a problem with a lot of things. I find your "evidence" rather weak though, not to mention you're way out of line with the whole "you Yankees bring this shit to the European Market". :thumbd:

[Leviathan]

Lets just all start foammouthing

[dream warrior]

Origineel gepost door axestream

Bro, sounds like you have a problem with a lot of things. I find your "evidence" rather weak though, not to mention you're way out of line with the whole "you Yankees bring this shit to the European Market". :thumbd:

[1Fast400]

I'm not perfect, never have claimed to be. My job is to get supplements to the dutch market quick and cheap. That is what I do. Sorry you don't like me.

I could rip you apart on this if I wanted to. I don't have the time nor the energy to do that. It would prove nothing, at the end of the day you will still believe what you believe.

[RaymondHan]

@axestream;
@dboll;
@dreamwarrior;

Okay you are right, apologize for the terminology, I should choose my words better.
But my opinion is not changing;

We are talking about a supplement that could potentially cause health problems in human beings. And that is always a serious business!

I am happy, if only I could reach one member to change his mind using this product, then at least this post was usefull.

I think Mike's attitude to this is too easy; Just reselling any product from whatever manufacturer, even if the product is dangerous for the well being of the consumer. If the product is not good, complain to the manufacturer, not to Mike, the distributor.

If an auto-dealer does know the breaks of the car he is selling are not functioning well, he is also responsible for the accident that might happen, afterwards.

If he knows the product is bad, he should either warn the customers, or take it out of his collection for moral reasons.

Ray

[ronald.ot]

Origineel gepost door axestream

Bro, sounds like you have a problem with a lot of things. I find your "evidence" rather weak though, not to mention you're way out of line with the whole "you Yankees bring this shit to the European Market". :thumbd:

[RaymondHan]

Origineel gepost door 1Fast400

I'm not perfect, never have claimed to be. My job is to get supplements to the dutch market quick and cheap. That is what I do. Sorry you don't like me.

I could rip you apart on this if I wanted to. I don't have the time nor the energy to do that. It would prove nothing, at the end of the day you will still believe what you believe.

Mike,
I do not know you personally, so I can not say whether I would like you or not. What I am trying to say is that it is unscrupulous reselling supplements, from what you know, beforehand, these might have potential health risks for the consumers. Do you have a conscience?

[axestream]

Origineel gepost door RaymondHan

Mike,
I do not know you personally, so I can not say whether I would like you or not. What I am trying to say is that it is unscrupulous reselling supplements, knowing this might have potential health risks for the consumers.

Bro seriously, your sources include correspondation with Ergogenics/Willem Koert and Ergogenics/Willem Koert speaking with the FDA. First of all, Willem Koert loves to simplify matters just for the sake of stirring up things and secondly a lot of these other so-called sources don't say anything about the matter at hand specifically. To base your opinion on something you've read on Ergogenics is a bad idea, I think most of the people in dbb.com agree with that. I agree that one should know what is being purchased, but that shouldn't be the concern of the retailer. Bacon is bad for your health as well, but I doubt you write a letter to the manager of your local grocery store about that. For now I'll just keep it at a lack of substantial evidence, but thanks for the heads up.

[1Fast400]

Raymond, let it drop.

[RaymondHan]

@axestream;
I know about the reputation of Willem Koert of Ergogenics but apart from Willem; use your own common sense and face the facts; In the USA there was recently a "mad cow disease" epidemy and the FDA made an emergency response plan. Do you feel safe if a supplement contains bovine or pig anterior pituitary substance, without knowing for sure if the animal, from which this has been extracted has been contaminated or not?

If this would have happened in Europe, at least all consumers are informed about this, and all sold products could be returned and as of that moment remaining stock will not be sold anymore and destroyed. The fact is that this has not been done with Secretagogue-1 and GHR-15, whatsoever. Old supplements are still circulating, with all possible risks. That is my point.

And to stay in your terminology; If the manager of the grocery store knows the bacon he is selling has been contaminated, and he is still selling the bacon for commercial reasons, he is also responsible that you are gonna be poisoned.

And if I bought such bacon, and it would kill half of my family, I wouldn't be so sure about the well being of the manager of that grocery store.

[RaymondHan]

Origineel gepost door 1Fast400

I could rip you apart on this if I wanted to.

You are welcome Mike, that feeling is mutual.
Let me know when you will come to Europe, I will pick you up at the airport!

[JFS]

Origineel gepost door RaymondHan

You are welcome Mike, that feeling is mutual.
Let me know when you will come to Europe, I will pick you up at the airport!

Uhm. Mike meant that he could blow you away with arguments I guess...
(sorry als ik enorm hap)

[RaymondHan]

@JFS; Oh gelukkig maar, ik dacht dat het Jack de Ripper was...

Ik wou hem al trakteren op een van mijn speciale gerechten; salade met extracten van hypofyses van koeien en varkens; overheerlijk gewoon.

"could blow you away??" dus toch een terrorist?? <<--- Stop posting this please!!!

[ErEf]

Origineel gepost door axestream

Bro seriously, your sources include correspondation with Ergogenics/Willem Koert and Ergogenics/Willem Koert speaking with the FDA. First of all, Willem Koert loves to simplify matters just for the sake of stirring up things and secondly a lot of these other so-called sources don't say anything about the matter at hand specifically. To base your opinion on something you've read on Ergogenics is a bad idea, I think most of the people in dbb.com agree with that. I agree that one should know what is being purchased, but that shouldn't be the concern of the retailer. Bacon is bad for your health as well, but I doubt you write a letter to the manager of your local grocery store about that. For now I'll just keep it at a lack of substantial evidence, but thanks for the heads up.

OK.. mike says.. he can tear his arguments apart, and so say you..

So give him the arguments and not just stating that Ray has nothing or to little evidence.. Hey.. how long did we have to fight against the myths that creatine is unhealthy.. and now everyone (allmost) is using it.

If it's a cure against cancer which sometimes can kill you or heal you, then it is a choice you have to make.. to compare it with bacon.. oh come on man.. where you read that? on ergogenics.. you've learned well to simplify things.
So give Ray the arguments that he'll shut up, or say:"you're right, but still I'll sell the stuff" and if you're a real hero, then take it of the shell.

[Big-T]

Origineel gepost door RaymondHan

No proof at all posted

I don't know if this is a sneaky way from you or other b&f members to make our board and sponsors look bad, or if you really want to warn people for a potential dangerous supplement.

First of all, do you have any proof for your statements. I mean can you give me ONE case where this supplement was infected with BSE?

You are making very strong statements and I wouldn't be suprised if you get a lawsuit from this supplement manufacturer.
What makes you assume that this supplement isn't properly tested?

There are thousands of nutrients, supplements, products that are signed as potential dangerous or unhealthy - that doesn't mean they are! But you are infact wrong to say you can't get chronically sick from smoking, drinking or eating some products.

You have to have very strong proof before posting things like this, not just by reading articles from some freelance journalist that heard something from someone else...

For now, stop posting this on this board unless you have a case.

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