Log nitrous + vendetta + megagrow

[sanniejj]

6-6-2004

Zoals ik al eerder aangegeven had zou ik een log bij gaan houden over de "superstack" (moet nog blijken ) van XXL nutrition.
Om te beginnen zal ik aangeven wat voor andere supplementen ik heb gebruikt de afgelopen tijd. Sinds drie maanden geleden gebruik ik pro whey van sportslab, daarnaast gebruik ik sinds 20 dagen cell-tech van muscletech. Cell-tech is zeer effectief gebleken maar is ook heel erg prijzig.

De stack van XXL Nutrition bestaat uit:

1 Pot Megagrow a 2000 Gram
1 Pot Nitrous a 300 Gram
1 Pot Vendetta a 900 Gram

Voor de duidelijkheid wat de producten precies doen heb ik hier nog even een korte samenvatting en wat ingredenten:

Nitrous

Nitrous is de volgende generatie van NO producten. Nitrous bestaat uit Di-L-Arginine-L-Malate.Arginine is een normaal voorkomend aminozuur. Doordat de Arginine in de speciale L-Malate vorm genomen wordt, zorgt het voor een toename van de bloedtoevoer naar je spieren.
Nitrous zorgt voor een toename van de bloedstoevoer en stikstof naar je spieren. Deze enorme extra toevoer zorgt voor de geweldige resultaten. Al het bloed transporteert veel meer aminozuren, koolhydraten en allerlei andere stoffen naar je spieren. Je spieren zullen al deze ingrediënten opzuigen als een spons. Je spieren worden dus letterlijk dikker en voller en dus sterker! De toename van stikstof oxide en bloed zorgen ook nog eens voor een aanzienlijke toename van je uithoudingsvermogen. Je kunt dus meer setjes en meer herhalingen doen!
Nitrous bevat exclusief Di-L-Arginine-L-Malate.Nitrous bestaat niet uit veel te dikke en moeilijk in te nemen tabletten, maar poeder!
Nitrous laat zich perfect mengen met elke vloeistof omdat het een neutrale smaak heeft. Meng Nitrous met je eiwitshake, of optimaal met Mega Grow of Vendetta.
Tot tweemaal zo zwaar gedoseerd dan andere NO producten door de 5gram L-Arginine per dosering
Uniek transport systeem. Nitrous heeft het exclusieve Ionis transport systeem. Dankzij dit transport systeem wordt Nitrous tot 2x zo goed opgenomen als alle andere NO producten!
Nitrous heeft dankzij het unieke transport systeem een automatische time-released werking!
Kracht – Massa – Vasculariteit – Pomp
Syntrax kwaliteit; dus geen loze beloftes, maar een product dat echt werkt!
Nitrous zal je kracht, spiermassa, vasculariteit, pomp en uithoudingsvermogen allemaal flink laten toenemen. De eerste week gaat je lichaam beginnen met het opladen van Nitrous in je spieren. Je kracht en de pomp zullen langzaam toe gaan nemen. In de tweede week zul je al sterkere resultaten zien, tevens zal je potentie flink zijn toe genomen! In de derde week en vierde week zal Nitrous nog sterker werken. Je kracht en spiermassa zullen nu enorm zijn toegenomen, tevens kan een pomp van je training en hele dag duren!
Nitrous is eigenlijk heel eenvoudig in het gebruik. Neem gewoon 2 maal daags 1 maatschep op een nuchtere maag. Meng het eenvoudig door je shake na of voor je training of neem het voor het ontbijt.
Nitrous bevat per verpakking van 300 gram 60 doseringen en gaat één maand mee.
Elke dosering bevat 5gram L-Arginine-L-Malate.

En nu de wetenschappelijke kant van Nitro Oxide:

Chemical Formula: N2O

bonds resonate between single/triple and double

Synonyms
dinitrogen oxide,
dinitrogen monoxide

Description

Colorless non-flammable gas with a sweet odor

Uses

Nitrous oxide is used as a foaming agent and propellant in whipped cream. It dissolves easily in fats under pressure, and comes out of solution when the pressure is reduced, much like the carbon dioxide in a can of soda.

Many gasses will dissolve in fats, and make good propellants. However, most are flammable or toxic, or react with the fats.

Nitrous oxide dissolves in the fats that sheath the nerve cells, and produces numbing and mild intoxication. It is the "laughing gas" used by dentists to make patients less aware of pain.

Other possible propellants, such as the propane used in hair sprays, or freon, also cause intoxication when they dissolve in the fats around nerve cells, and so are not used, since their flammability, safety, cost, or taste makes them less desirable than nitrous oxide for whipping cream.

Vendetta

Serving Size: 1.5 Scoops (45g)
Servings Per Container: 20
Amount Per Serving:
Calories 168
Calories from Fat 0
Total Fat 0g
Saturated Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Total Carbs 29g 10%
Dietary Fiber 0g
Sugars 13g
Protein 13g
Sodium 120mg
Calcium 160mg
Phosphorus 20mg
L-Leucine 4290mg
L-Lysine 2070mg
L-Valine 1830mg
L-Phenylalanine 1607mg
L-Threonin 1390mg
L-Histidine 638mg
L-Isoleucine 636mg
L-Methionine 447mg
Potassium 150mg
Magnesium 180mg
Vitamin B-6
Ingredients:
Sucrose, d-glucose, amino acid blend, natural and artificial colors and flavors, citric acid, magnesium lactate, calcium succinate, mono potassium phosphate, pyridoxine hcl, sodium citrate, sodium chloride, sucralose.
Directions:
Mix one serving in 12-16oz. of cold water and consume immediatly prior to workout. If bodyweight exceeds 220 lbs. then use 2 scoops.
Nutrition as a means to improve physical performance and recovery is nothing new. Scientific research is constantly enabling us to positively affect the performance athletes have in training and competition. Getting the most out of training sessions is by far the best method to improve performance. Better methods of fueling can dramatically improve available energy and recovery, thus allowing a constant improvement in training focus and intensity. Especially for athletes who train multiple times in one day or those who train at night and then again early the next morning, superior recovery is crucial. The ability to come back later in the day and attack the training session with the greatest intensity possible can make or break the results. Essentially, this is what victories are made of.
Carbohydrates
It is critical to have the appropriate energy available for proper performance of training. Low glycogen levels have been associated with poor performance, focus, and intensity during athletic endeavors [1-11]. Having sufficient stores of glycogen can lead to a decrease in the rate of perceived exertion (RPE) and increased endurance, even without typical carbohydrate loading [12]. These findings are not just limited to endurance activities however. They are very much relevant to strength training and other activities that last as little as 30-minutes [2,6,7,8,13]. The ability to maintain training intensity, due to a variety of reasons, can be significantly diminished if glucose availability is hindered.
Perhaps the best method to increase glucose availability during exercise is consuming a carbohydrate solution immediately prior to and during exercise. This works especially well if prior meals consisted of relatively low carbohydrate levels. The circulating nutrients go beyond just giving energy for performance.
Low levels of muscle glycogen lead to a greater degradation of muscle protein [14,15]. Some of the amino acids are used directly as utilizable fuels. Others are converted to alanine, via glutamate. Alanine, pyruvate, and lactate are used for gluconeogenesis to fill the void for glucose created by insufficient dietary consumption. If the void is great enough, amino acids can account for up to 10% of the total energy metabolism during exercise [16]. The direct use of leucine and other amino acids for fuel puts a carbon strain on the TCA-cycle, which is used to maintain the increased energy demands of exercise. In return for increased muscle protein catabolism, performance is severely limited and losses of excess muscle protein will occur, thus increasing the recovery period.
To take advantage of the protein sparing effects from glucose availability, the ingredients in Vendetta? by Xtreme Formulations? should be consumed immediately prior to and/or during training [10]. The moderate and fast acting carbohydrates allow for relatively quick availability and use. High levels of slow digesting carbohydrates can have a negative impact upon performance. Large amounts of fiber and sugars, such as lactose and fructose, can create a strain on the metabolic system. These have very slow times to digestion and ultimately for utilization. While in the stomach and small intestine, they compete with the exercising body for water, blood flow, and energy. The end result is an upset stomach and poor performance.
There is no need to worry about the possible negative impact of consuming carbohydrates in the upper half of the glycemic index. None of the nutrients will have the opportunity to be stored as fat, which is generally the main concern. Once entering circulation, the glucose will be taken up by the working cells and used for fuel. In turn there is shift in the source for energy to replenish ATP and creatine-phosphate levels.
During the initial stages of exercise, muscle glycogen is the primary source of energy to replenish the immediate energy systems. But as stored levels begin to deplete, a greater emphasis is placed upon blood glucose. This can have major implications to resistance training. As many individuals now consume lower carbohydrate diets, stored glycogen levels can be much below the 15g/kg upper range. This can create a significant deficit during training due to cumulative effects of physical activity. Short-term bouts of high intensity training with very short or active rest periods will elicit a significant level of muscle glycogenolysis. There appears to be a linear relationship between muscle glycogenolysis, external work performed, and exercising intensity [17]. In fact, levels of muscle glycogenolysis during resistance exercise has been reported to be similar to those obtained during high intensity cycling, illustrating the benefits of this nutritional regimen [17-19]. As a result, training intensity can severely drop off once short-term energy stores are depleted.

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By consuming energy immediately before and during training, can create a metabolic switch earlier in training. Because of the available blood glucose, the active muscle cells will not use as stored glycogen during training. In turn, the there will be a prolonging effect upon performance as well as an early jumpstart upon recovery.
Using this method to improve performance has many proven benefits, but many still are overly concerned with another possible repercussions. Rebound hypoglycemia is often associated with ingesting high glycemic carbohydrates around exercise. The lore surrounding this metabolic state is largely overrated. Even in instances when researchers were able to create this environment in subjects, it most often had little to no impact upon performance [3]. The availability of nutrients had a more dramatic positive impact. If individuals find themselves ultra sensitive, a greater proportion of the drink should be consumed during the exercise session.
A strategic mixture of carbohydrates will help improve the metabolic response both during and after exercise. Adding small amounts of fructose bound to glucose, as in the form of sucrose, will do the trick. Care needs to be taken though because large amounts of fructose will swing the results in the negative direction. Impaired fructose absorption has appeared at levels above 20-50 grams causing upset stomachs [16]. Co-consumption of fructose with glucose raises the level needed at which stomach distress appears, partly do to an increased rate of absorption [21]. The somewhat delayed metabolic response to the oligosaccharide, sucrose has a glycemic index of about 60, helps to prolong the metabolic process slightly, but not enough to cause problems. In a blend with additional glucose (dextrose), optimal results can be had.
Because the liver is very efficient at phosphorylating fructose, almost none enters systemic circulation. Rather the fructose is converted to glucose in the liver and used primarily to replenish local glycogen stores. In turn, there is a lasting effect upon energy levels as well as preparing the body for post exercise recovery.
VendettaTM contains a strategic mixture of carbohydrates. One half of the carbohydrate energy blend is sucrose and the remaining half is dextrose. This equates to only 25% of the total ultimately being free fructose. So for one serving, only 7.5 grams will ultimately be fructose. Sucrose also happens to be a powerful osmolyte. At these lower concentrations, sucrose actually helps maintain adequate rates of enzymatic reactions. One enzyme in particular, creatine-kinase, is protected from guanidine denaturation. This will ultimately lead to improved performance and enhanced recovery capabilities, but VendettaTM goes much further.
The Essential Factor
Amino acids are critical to growth and recovery, a fact well known. Some will argue that adding amino acids to workout drinks is of little value, as their inclusion, except for some instances, appears to make only minor immediate performance improvements. The point missed is the advanced jump upon recovery, growth, and maximizing the improved the utilization rate of the nutrients. An increase in insulin and carbohydrates without the presence of amino acids has only a modest affect upon muscle protein synthesis. In regards to protein synthesis, insulin primarily only activates the translation pathway. Making amino acids available improves the metabolic response. Leucine, for example, is essential to, and even amplifies muscle protein synthesis [24,25].
The choice of protein used in sports drink is crucial for multiple reasons though. Protein powders such as micelar casein, calcium caseinate, and milk protein isolate take far too long to digest, and ultimately be utilized. As is the case with using slow digesting carbohydrates, slow digesting proteins will leave a very uncomfortable feeling in the stomach while exercising. Ingesting these proteins creates an intestinal environment that competes with the active muscles for energy and fluids. The competition for blood supply can reduce flow to working muscles by as much as 20%. Not exactly a positive result when the goal is to increase nutrient delivery and waste removal through maximized blood flow.
Whey protein concentrate, an inexpensive and often used protein source, is a poor choice, for among other reasons, the higher levels of lactose present. Many individuals have experienced problems associated with whey protein concentrate consumption even when not exercising. Whey protein isolates or hydrolyzed whey proteins would then seem like the next logical choice, but they are far from the best in creating ultimate anabolic environment.
A blend of 8 essential amino acids (EAA) is the most potent nutritional method to increase muscle protein anabolism. Tryptophan should not be included due to related sedative affects. The many benefits of these 8 other EAA is in part due to their side chain structure. Side chains determine the special metabolic pathways of each individual amino acid.
The chain structures of the nine EAA are not able to undergo transamination to any appreciable extent and must be consumed in sufficient amounts, thus the term nutritionally essential. In response to the circulating EAA, cells quickly upregulate protein translation ultimately leading to greater levels of anabolism. In fact, the response to orally ingested EAA is so great, non-essential amino acids (NEAA) are not needed to stimulate the translation process [25,26].
A single six-gram serving of EAA is more than twice as effective as two, six-gram servings of mixed amino acids [25,26]. So in return, half the amount of protein netted twice the results. This comparison was also done using only free form amino acids rather than anything peptide bonded.
Also, the free form status in addition to using only the essential amino acids creates an anabolic stimulating super hyperaminoacidemic environment. Essential amino acids are the fastest absorbed of all the amino acids [27]. Large hydrogen mass of the side chains and neutral status increases affinity to the transporters. Of all the amino acids, methionine, leucine, isoleucine, and valine are the fastest absorbing of all. Exercising muscles will not have to compete with the stomach and digestive tract for valuable resources to digest the nutrients. In return, nutrients will be made available rather quickly to the cells while creating only positive benefits, such as increased nitrogen balance (NB) and growth, not the typical muscle protein degradation.
The resultant rise NB is in direct result from an increase in muscle protein anabolism, not just a decrease in protein degradation [25-28]. This is a crucial advancement. You now can go beyond simply suppressing endogenous muscle breakdown and stimulate the muscles to recover and grow. This recovery growth is also in addition to the body's normal physiologic rate [29]. Although these benefits will be had in response to intake at almost any time, the timing can make a crucial difference in amplifying the results.
The scientific blend of free form amino acids in VendettaTM creates the most potent anabolic environment of all protein supplements. With VendettaTM you are not only able to improve performance, but you are also able to recover and grow at some of the fastest rates possible.
Drink. Train. Grow.
Physical activity elicits a multitude of responses throughout the entire body. Besides the necessary function of delivering oxygen and removing waste products, increased circulation to active cells makes available vital nutrients. Active cells essentially upregulate receptors looking for the nutrients they are going to need. The sympathetic nervous system extrinsically regulates blood distribution by increasing vasoconstriction in areas less in need for blood supply. Blood flow is thus directed to appropriate active cells.
Circulation to the active muscles is dramatically increased exponentially during exercise. Flow is often raised to levels 1,000% greater than during rest to over 8,000 ml per minute during conditioning. Resistance exercise creates an environment in excess of 300% more blood flow to active muscles. During intense exercise, about 60% of cardiac output is directed to active muscle cells. This also highlights the necessity of consuming nutrients that will not compromise the tremendous opportunity by staging in the digestive tract.
Increased circulation, coupled with unregulated plasma level transporters, creates a tremendously open window to direct nutrients into the cells that need it most. Typically, insulin secretion is required for insertion of GLUT 4 transporters into the plasma membrane of muscle cells, but it is also stimulated by repeated muscle contraction. So in combination with moderately increased insulin levels and muscular contraction, the greatest level of transporter saturation can be achieved. [Note: the primary role of including carbohydrates is to spare protein and increase energy availability.]
Consuming the proper nutrients prior to training also appears to even further increase the level of blood flow directed to working muscles. When examining resistance training, proper pre-training nutrient consumption significantly increases blood flow even further, over 50% more in fact, both during both and after training than when the same nutrients are consumed post training [30]. Increased circulation further raises the level of hyper-essential-aminoacidemia, a trigger for muscle protein synthesis [25-33]. Nutrient deliver to the working muscles is roughly 260% greater during training following nutrients as compared to no nutrient consumption. It is the 650% greater nutrient delivery during resistance exercise that allows us to create an anabolic environment directed towards the cells we ultimately want to respond.
Even more fascinating is that pre-training ingestion even outperforms the post-training meal in the hours immediately after training. As the response from post training consumption starts to decline one-hour after consumption, metabolic responses to pre-training ingestion are sustained and still active. The active muscle cells not only absorb more nutrients, but a greater overall percentage gets used for protein synthesis. The greater overall response to pre-training intake leads to over 400% greater muscle protein synthesis during the recovery period as compared to consuming the same nutrients immediately post training [30].
VendettaTM would be a great post training meal as well, but as you can plainly see, consuming VendettaTM immediately prior to and/or during training will reap the greatest benefits.
Conclusion
Clinical research has shown that the greatest nutritional method to increase muscle protein synthesis within the training window is a carbohydrate and EAA blend consumed immediately before training. The numbers surrounding research as to the best amounts of each is less clear. What has found though is a somewhat linear relationship regarding the EAA and the quantities consumed orally. Simply stated, the more consumed, the better the results. There obviously is a limit though, but exactly where the ceiling level is currently is unclear. What we can do is make some general guidelines to help direct proper intake.
Carbohydrates:
50/50 blend of glucose and sucrose (note: sucrose is a disaccharide comprised of 50% glucose and 50% fructose) 0.3 - 0.4 g/kg immediately before training (Remember there is approximately 2.2kg per pound)
Essential Amino Acids: A blend of 8 essential amino acids with an emphasis placed upon Leucine, about 30-35% of the entire EAA blend, or at least 4-5 grams. 0.15 - 0.2 g/kg immediately before training.

6-7-2004

zaakje is besteld

9-6-2004

geld is door bank overgemaakt en de verzending zal binnen 24 uur worden verstuurd. Jammer dat XXL N geen automatische incasso heeft, dit zou een hoop tijd schelen.

10-6-2004

Zaterdagmiddag werd het zaakje afgeleverd. Alles samen met nog een cap van syntrax en proefzakje met syntrax whey (nectar)

Eerste dosis mega grow en nitrous zijn naar binnen gewerkt. De smaak van mega grow is lekker (orange in mijn geval, kersen kan je ook bestellen) Nitrous is ontzettend bitter en vies, maar kan door elk vochtig iets worden gemengd.

[hardgainers]

Saniej,

Ik ga erg goed op de superstack, maar ik zie dat je net een "kuur" cell-tech erop heb zitten. Zal de werking van Mega-Grow dan niet minder zijn?

Meestal heb je om weer optimaal te kunnen profiteren van een creatine variant even een paar weekjes rust nodig.

Ik heb trouwens MG kers> die smaak vind ik echt super lekker.

Succes bro!

[sanniejj]

Origineel gepost door hardgainers

Saniej,

Ik ga erg goed op de superstack, maar ik zie dat je net een "kuur" cell-tech erop heb zitten. Zal de werking van Mega-Grow dan niet minder zijn?

Meestal heb je om weer optimaal te kunnen profiteren van een creatine variant even een paar weekjes rust nodig.

Ik heb trouwens MG kers> die smaak vind ik echt super lekker.

Succes bro!

Is onzin die rust periodes van creatine. Is nooit wetenschappelijk bewezen.

[WiD]

succes en ben benieuwd

[hardgainers]

Misschien niet wetenschapelijk bewezen, maar ik merk bij mezelf dat als ik enige tijd geen creatine (variant) heb gebruikt, ik er beter op reageer.

Maar we zien...

[sanniejj]

11-6-2004

Afgelopen nacht was ik opeens bizar fit en had ik weinig zin om te slapen. Waar het aan zou kunnen liggen weet ik niet 100% (wellicht mega grow) Vandaag gezellig naar de nationale vlootdagen in den helder geweest dus geen training. Heb het hele weekend dus rust gehad. maar ga er morgen weer tegenaan. Had trouwens af en toe last van spontane erecties :| .. ook zonde hete topless mokkels in de buurt Wellicht een vaag effect van nitrous? al sla je me dood.. ik weet het niet.

Vandaag gewoon de normale dosis naar binnen gewerkt:

0700: 50 gram mega grow gemengd door 0,4L water
0710: 50 gram whey + 3/4 schep nitrous erdoorheen gemengd door 0,4L melk
1500: 50 gram whey + 3/4 schep nitrous erdoorheen gemengd door 0,4L melk

Morgenochtend of middag ga ik kijken of vendetta nou daadwerkelijk zo effectief is als dat ze beweren (zo zou je optimaal kunnen trainen na 1 dosis vendetta zonder andere KH bronnen) Ben benieuwd

[hardgainers]

ik heb het idee dat Vendetta vooral goed werkt als je s' morgens traint , het werkt volgens mij het beste als je circa 2 uur voor de traing voor het laatst hebt gegeten. ALs je korter ervoor eet, eet dan met mate.

Voorheen had ik weinig fut, maar met Vendetta gaat het trainen s' morgens stukken beter. Kan natuurlijk ook aan de stack liggen en niet aan only vendetta.

[sanniejj]

Origineel gepost door hardgainers

ik heb het idee dat Vendetta vooral goed werkt als je s' morgens traint , het werkt volgens mij het beste als je circa 2 uur voor de traing voor het laatst hebt gegeten. ALs je korter ervoor eet, eet dan met mate.

Voorheen had ik weinig fut, maar met Vendetta gaat het trainen s' morgens stukken beter. Kan natuurlijk ook aan de stack liggen en niet aan only vendetta.

Wellicht dat de combinatie dodelijk effectief is ja. Daarom is het ook een stack uiteraard.. nitrous zorgt ook voor energieuitbraak (als ik syntrax moet geloven =) )

[sanniejj]

14-7

Ben na 4 dagen een stuk droger geworden terwijl de trainingen, vochtinname en voedsel hetzelfde zijn gebleven. Spieren zijn er harder uit en de pomp blijft tenminste 4 uur aanvoelen (terwijl dit nog de oplaadfase is)

Tot zover ben ik zeer enthousiast over de stack.

[JimmyH]

de oplaafase van die mega grow bedoel je? want nitrous en vendetta hebben toch geen oplaadfase.

[pat21]

Origineel gepost door sanniejj

14-7

Ben na 4 dagen een stuk droger geworden terwijl de trainingen, vochtinname en voedsel hetzelfde zijn gebleven. Spieren zijn er harder uit en de pomp blijft tenminste 4 uur aanvoelen (terwijl dit nog de oplaadfase is)

Tot zover ben ik zeer enthousiast over de stack.

Na 4 dagen al?

[sanniejj]

Jep, na 4 dagen.

@Jimmy H, juist, oplaadfase van mega grow is 5 dagen. Nitrous heeft uiteraard ook een oplaadfase

[JimmyH]

nee hoor nitrous heeft geen oplaadfase

[XXL Nutrition]

Origineel gepost door JimmyH

nee hoor nitrous heeft geen oplaadfase

Er zijn menings verschillen over het wel of geen oplaadfase hebben van NO producten zoals Nitrous.

Kijk creatine heeft een oplaadfase, hierbij gebruik je gedurende de 1e 5 dagen een verhoogde dosering. Zo bouw je snel verhoogde niveau's op.

Van Nitrous neem je gedurende de gehele 30 dagen een vaste dosering, je laad dus de 1e dagen niets extra. Echter de werking van Nitrous ontpopt zich niet direct, je moet er rekening mee houden dat de werking zich openbaart na een kleine week, je zou deze tijd de oplaadfase kunnen noemen.

Sportieve groet,


René
XXL Nutrition

[prOn]

ik ben net begonnen met intensief fitnessen.
is het verstandig meteen te beginnen met deze Pack? of als ik bijv een paar maande bezig ben?!

[Juriaan]

Origineel gepost door prOn

ik ben net begonnen met intensief fitnessen.
is het verstandig meteen te beginnen met deze Pack? of als ik bijv een paar maande bezig ben?!

Zonde van je geld je groeit nu als kool, gewoon goed dieet evt whey na het trainen de stack is weggegooid geld voor jou

[prOn]

oke!! hebben jullie even snel (1) site waar ik de beste whey kan kopen, of iemand nog een zak over die het aan mij wil verkopen?! pm maar (of post)

[sanniejj]

Origineel gepost door prOn

oke!! hebben jullie even snel (1) site waar ik de beste whey kan kopen, of iemand nog een zak over die het aan mij wil verkopen?! pm maar (of post)

www.xxlnutrition.nl

daar koopt het gros van het forum hun whey

[nasty^PhysIc]

hmz.. ik denk dat die mega-grow troep is. Je boek resultaat van de vendetta en N!trous. Dure stack m8, je weet dat die pot vendetta al na 15 dagen leeg is? en de kosten in nl €50 zijn

[hardgainers]

Origineel gepost door nasty^PhysIc

hmz.. ik denk dat die mega-grow troep is. Je boek resultaat van de vendetta en N!trous. Dure stack m8, je weet dat die pot vendetta al na 15 dagen leeg is? en de kosten in nl €50 zijn

Al eens geprobeerd dan