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| Dutch Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Sep 2007 Locatie: België Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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graag ervaringen en resultaten hiervan...watergains of solide massa,doseringen,duur,sides,..
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| Dutch Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Aug 2006 Locatie: België Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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heb het gedurende een 4-tal maanden gedaan, 4 weken on 4 weken off (in combi met andere AAS) vochtwinst was minder dan één oral alleen aan hoge dosis krachtwinst was ook significant bijwerkingen nauwelijks (maar heb ik van één van beide orals apart ook weinig last van) dosis was oxy 50 dboll 30 maar volgende keer ga ik die uppen tot 100 en 50 |
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| Dutch Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Sep 2007 Locatie: België Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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Wat gebruikte je tijdens de 4weken off? Nakuur of gewoon niks?
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| Advanced Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: May 2006 Locatie: scheveningen Geslacht: M
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heb het eens genomen oxy 150 d boll 70, de pomp was bizar, de krachwinst ook, heb er ook een keer anaver op 120 mg bij genomen, als ik daar aan terug denk krijg ik meteeen een stijve piemel
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| bodybuilding coach | Re: synergy oxy/dbol
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Oct 2004 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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waarom zou je? stick to the basics
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| Advanced Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Dec 2006 Locatie: Muscle mountain Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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Ik ga binnenkort 50mg oxy en 40 mg diana nemen. Natuurlijk met deca en testo. Ik hou jullie op de hoogte met mijn logje.
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| Dutch Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Aug 2006 Locatie: België Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Mar 2006 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol By Gavin Kane For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dianabol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products. Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s. Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex. Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs. Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosteron and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties. Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two. So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches. On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product. Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle? The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits. My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects. Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosteron and deca-durabolin. I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol. I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dianabol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up. Ik ga er maandag meebeginnen naast een stack met test/bold. Het is dus de bedoeling dat je de stack dianabol/oxy voor een langere periode neemt maar dan minder mg's... _____________________________
__________________ Momenteel in de bulk!!!!! Test/Bold/Oxy/Dianabol Stats: 187cm 118 kilo 8% BF |
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| Advanced Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: May 2006 Locatie: scheveningen Geslacht: M
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Karma Power: 5 | Re: synergy oxy/dbol
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zo ben ook geen voorbeeld
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Mar 2006 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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Ja hij raad aan 100mg Oxy en 50mg Dianabol maar ik ga zelf voor 50/30... Hij ging extreem hoog met de tabs!!!!
__________________ Momenteel in de bulk!!!!! Test/Bold/Oxy/Dianabol Stats: 187cm 118 kilo 8% BF |
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| Cool Novice Geregistreerd: Feb 2006 Locatie: Nederland Geslacht: M
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En wss krijg ik hier veel commentaar op, maar ik waag het toch .... ik ben een redelijk noob op het gebied maar aas, maar zit toch dagelijks op het forum en probeer zo veel mogelijk info te lezen/krijgen. Hoe denken jullie over een comby van alleen diana en oxy, zonder aanvullende aas? Wat zou dat opleveren bij een zelfde verhouding als jp79 aangaf 50/30 of misschien wel 40/20 ? Heb het dan niet over kgs gainen, maar ook veel vocht, zoals bij een diana only kuur? En wat bevat diana waardoor die synergie er bij die combi wel bij is, wat winny niet heeft? Met andere woorden, waarom werkt die wisselwerking bij diana/oxy wel en niet winny/oxy niet? Ik hoor graag jullie mening! |
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| Ripped Bodybuilder | Re: synergy oxy/dbol
Even miereneuken, maar Dianabol is dus helemaal niet ontwikkeld door John Ziegler maar door het bedrijf Ciba. Ziegler was niet eens een chemicus.
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Mar 2006 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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__________________ Momenteel in de bulk!!!!! Test/Bold/Oxy/Dianabol Stats: 187cm 118 kilo 8% BF | |
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| Advanced Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Dec 2006 Locatie: Muscle mountain Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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OOOOOOOOOO JP79 wat verheug ik me er al op om die combi te gaan gebruiken. WOOOOOOOOOOOW
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Mar 2006 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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__________________ Momenteel in de bulk!!!!! Test/Bold/Oxy/Dianabol Stats: 187cm 118 kilo 8% BF | |
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| Colossal Veteran Geregistreerd: Apr 2006 Locatie: waar mijn bed slaapt; neerpelt dus Leeftijd: 42 Geslacht: M
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owww dit word een onrustig weekend voor jp wetende wat er maandag gaat gebeuren.....lijkt weer op vroeger twee nachtjes slapen en dan komt de sint
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| Ripped Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Mar 2006 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 28 Geslacht: M
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__________________ Momenteel in de bulk!!!!! Test/Bold/Oxy/Dianabol Stats: 187cm 118 kilo 8% BF | |
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| Advanced Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: Dec 2006 Locatie: Muscle mountain Leeftijd: 30 Geslacht: M
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Dan deel ik al lekker in jouw vreugde... hihihi.... Ik ga je logje volgen......
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| Dutch Bodybuilder Geregistreerd: May 2005 Locatie: Nederland Leeftijd: 21 Geslacht: M
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Karma Power: 4 | Re: synergy oxy/dbol
als je een jaar geleden aankwam met ik ga 50mg oxys en 40mg d-bol gebruiken werd je hier haast verbannen maar ik ga het in mn volgende bulk zeker ook proberen... |
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