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yo gaste, overspoel es met mast info, ik heb al es goed rond gelezen maar wil es wat persoonlijke info horen hierover dus......
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Masteron

(Drostanolone Propionate)
[17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate]
Molecular Weight: 360.5356
Formula: C23H36O3
Melting Point:N/A
Manufacturer:Syntex, Various Underground Labs
Effective Dose (men):350mgs/week (*100mgs Every other day) to 500mgs/week
Effective Dose (women): 25-50mgs Every other Day to Every Third Day
Active Life:2-3 days
Detection time: 3 weeks
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25


Masteron is, to be honest, my favorite Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (AAS). For many years, this compound was unavailable to the average athlete; it was frequently counterfeited, often very expensive, and almost never available on the black market. The most common form of this product, as manufactured by major pharmaceutical houses, is 50mg/ml ampules with either 1-2mls per amp (or vial). Needless to say, these products used to be the only game in town, and since this drug was a particularly sought-after compound for bodybuilding contest preparation, it’s price made it prohibitive for all but the highest level bodybuilders.
Masteron is a derivative of DHT (as you can tell from it's chemical name: 2a-methyl-dihydro-testosterone propionate), but what they fail to tell you is that DHT and it’s derivatives are commonly used in treatment of certain forms of breast cancer (see the etymology here: MASTectomy, gynocoMASTia, MASTeron…get it?). Masteron is not clinically used for weight gain (as is common with most steroids), so this makes it a very unique steroid from that perspective. Unfortunately, much of the information on Masteron available in medical journals doesn’t focus on weight or strength gain or even fat loss, for those reasons. Most information on Masteron focuses on it’s use in treating certain forms of breast cancer, and it does this reasonably well.(4)(5) To give you an idea, Masteron + Tamoxifen actually fared better than ChemoTherapy for immediate objective responses from patients (8).So? What does this tell us? Well, this makes it a very exciting drug for a lot of reasons. Clearly it won’t aromatize at all nor will it have progesteronic sides…remember, Nolvadex (and most ancillaries) are used to reduce estrogen for breast cancer patients, so a drug used to treat breast cancer obviously wouldn’t convert to estrogen...and in fact Masteron may interact with the aromatase enzymes to inhibit aromatization of other steroids into estrogen, and may additionally interact with estrogen (as a “blocker” of sorts) at the receptor site. (4)(5) This is how it helps to combat breast cancer, obviously, but this could also be part of the reason that Masteron is considered a “cutting” or “Pre-contest” drug. Masteron may actually be very useful for combating estrogenic/progesteronic side effects yes, you read that right….if you include Masteron in your cycle, you may not need other “ancillary” drugs like Arimidex or Letrozole). Hence, much like Proviron, Masteron could be used as an anti-side-effect-drug (remember, most ancillary drugs we use to combat estrogenic sides, like nolvadex, letrozole, and arimidex were originally developed to combat breast cancer...and thats exactly what Masteron was developed and used for). Along a similar line, being a DHT (DiHydroTestosterone) derivative, it’s got a very nice ability to add muscle hardness to an already lean physique…remember, Masteron has a deceivingly low anabolic/androgenic ratio, but since DHT is 5x as androgenic as testosterone and has a 3-4x higher affinity to receptor sites, Masteron provides a lot of “bang for the Buck” when examined on a Mg for Mg basis.

In my experience, as well as many others, Masteron is a stronger androgen than it appears on paper, and and this could cause increased aggression. As we know, higher androgens also produce that “hard” look prized by competitive BB’ers….and as we all know, androgens also promote lypolysis (fat loss). The effects of Masteron, in that way are consistent with the documented effects of (somewhat heavier) androgens to decrease lipoprotein lipase and upregulate -adrenergic receptors on adipocytes, which would inhibit the accumulation of lipid (fat) and enhance the efflux of lipid from these cells in response to catecholamines (1)(2)(3). So, like I said previously, don’t let Masteron’s deceptively low Anabolic:Androgenic ratio fool you…it helps eliminate fat as well (if not better) than much more highly scored androgens, in part due to its being a derivative of DHT. This reduction in fat and rise in aggression (making workouts more effective) could be beneficial for people competing in a sport or who are on a reduced calorie diet. Sounds pretty good, right? Unfortunately, being a DHT derivative means that it can have certain undesirable sides as well (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, etc… you may want to consider using Finasteride with this drug). Water retention (and increased danger of high Blood Pressure) with this compound is virtually nil, and liver toxicity is not much of an issue either. Really, you can take heaps of this stuff...the maximum theraputic dose is pretty high: 167mgs/kg-bdywt/day. So that's 167mgs per day, every day of the week, for a 220lb person...and that's not considered excessive by the FDA...who hasn't been very traditionally liberal on dosing protocols. So clearly, up to that dose is very safe for almost anyone. DHT has a bad reputation for causing prostate hypertrophy, acne, and hairloss…but most people I’ve talked to find that reputation to be mostly undeserved at least in the case of Masteron.

Remember that year that the Chinese National Swimming Team (women’s) were kicking everyone’s ass? Or the year that the German National Swimming Team (again, I’m talking about women) were taking all those Gold medals? They were all using a form of DHT or a derivative, possibly Masteron. The German Women had very deep voices, which leads me to believe that Masteron’s virilizing effects on women could be very bad (there was a famous/funny interview where the interviewer implied that they all had deep voices, and one of them replied “Ve came here to svim… not to sing.”). Hence, I feel Masteron is a great drug for any type of athlete, but possibly not for women (at least not at high doses...perhaps 50mgs/E3D is appropriate). Sorry girls...you can have a go with this drug, but keep the doses low.

Stacking Masteron? Well, I’d say that your best bet is with test, of course…but really, due to Masteron’s reasonable binding to the Androgen Receptors and its high androgenic properties, almost any cutting drug (Tren, Anavar, etc…) could be included in a cycle with it for an efficient stack. I have a feeling that due to Stanozolol’s (Winstrol) non-AR mediated effects, and it’s ability to reduce SHBG, a stack including both of these drugs would be very synergistic. However, don’t forget the Testosterone, as Masteron will reduce your own natural testosterone levels (9)…and since you are going to have to inject Masteron Every Other Day at least (100mgs EOD is the lowest dose of this stuff I’d consider using), you might as well stack it with Testosterone Propionate, and possibly injectable Winstrol (and/or maybe Tren Acetate…if you’re inclined to use a lot of compounds in the same cycle…and I know I am…). Eq is another popular choice to stack with Masteron.

I’d say that optimum effects of this stuff are found with 4-500mgs/week (based on conversations I've had with people who have used Masteron, as well as my own results). I happen to have a friend who has gone up to 600mgs/week with Masteron and didn’t feel that it provided significantly better results than 400-500mgs per week. I think, for maximum cost effectiveness, 400mgs per week is ideal. It’s also important to remember to spread those shots out on an every other day basis, as the Masteron I’m talking about here is the Propionate version, and as such, requires more frequent dosing. Of course I know there is a version of Masteron with an enanthenate ester dosed at 200mg/ml being produced by a very good Underground Lab (I personally used the “alpha” version, as a sort of Human Guinea Pig almost a year ago)….but that’s not the version of Masteron I’m talking about in this profile. In addition, there is another form of Masteron out there: Drostanolone (base)…yeah, that’s right…Masteron without an ester. It’s called Dromostan and it’s made by the Xelox Company. I’ve never tried this version, and don’t know anyone who has, but it’s my suspicion that it would be a very potent product, but would need to be injected every day.

If you are looking for this drug from a major pharmaceutical company, I’d caution you to reconsider that route, and go with an Underground Lab instead. There are many very reputable underground labs operating out there, with no known counterfits. On the other hand, genuine Masteron is one of the most difficult drugs to find on the black market, when you’re looking for a “Human-grade” product made by a major pharmaceutical house. In addition, UGLabs commonly offer this product for a very reasonable $50-75 for a 10ml bottle dosed at 100mg/ml. Trying to find the Syntex (or comparable Human-Grade) version of this product will bring a mg for mg cost of 2-5x that amount.

To recap: Masteron is derived from DHT, could be used as an anti-estrogenic drug, clearly it doesn’t convert to estrogen and actually works to reduce it in your body, can possibly cause hairloss and other DHT-related sides, is great for all types of athletes and BB’ers, but not women in high doses, it stacks well with almost anything, is very androgenic, awesome for losing fat and getting “hard”, and should be used at around 400-500mgs/week. It’s no surprise that it’s many people’s favorite steroid, mine included.


References:
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2. Rebuffe-Scrive M, Marin P, and Bjorntpor P. Effect of testosterone on abdominal adipose tissue in men. Int J Obes 15: 791-795, 1991.
3. Xu XF, De Pergola G, and Bjorntorp P.Testosterone increases lipolysis and the number of beta-adrenoceptors in male rat adipocytes. Endocrinology 128: 379-382, 1991.
4. Eur J Cancer Clin Oncol. 1983 Sep;19(9):1231-7.
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8. Sem Hop. 1982 Sep 23;58(34):1919-23.
9. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1965 Apr;25:476-9.


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goed bij laag vet %, je komt gruwelijk hard uit je kuur dan

(ervaring van een maatje van mij, die gast was bikkelhard en droog na die masteron als afsluiter van z'n kuur)
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goed bij laag vet %, je komt gruwelijk hard uit je kuur dan

(ervaring van een maatje van mij, die gast was bikkelhard en droog na die masteron als afsluiter van z'n kuur)
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jas goeie shit...maar vind het zoiets mafs dat altijd gezegd wordt dat je laag bf moet hebben...dit zou dan ook gelden voor tren/winny/anavar/primo/etc...vind het goed spul goed voor kracht/hardheid...niet echt bijwerkingen van gemerkt..
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goed bij laag vet %, je komt gruwelijk hard uit je kuur dan

(ervaring van een maatje van mij, die gast was bikkelhard en droog na die masteron als afsluiter van z'n kuur)
En van welke fabrikant was die masteron Loo?

Of schrijf je alleen maar negatieve verhalen?
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En van welke fabrikant was die masteron Loo?

Of schrijf je alleen maar negatieve verhalen?
die was van GS ja.

Ik weet het, het is voor sommigen fucked up om te horen dat GS nu door een aantal negatief in het daglicht gesteld wordt.
Maar ik plaats geen negatieve verhalen beste vriend, ik plaats gewoon gebruikerservaringen.
Als ik vorig jaar zonder problemen met primo GS heb gekuurd, en ik wil dit jaar weer met diezelfde spullen kuren, en ik word iedere keer doodziek na het zetten van diezelfde primo, ik heb gruwelijk pijnlijke spuitplekken, ik heb binnen een week gevoelige tepels (WTF van primo ) en zo kan ik nog wel wat dingen vertellen die helemaal niet kloppen, verwacht je dan dat ik dit verhaal dan maar stil voor mezelf houdt?
Helemaal erbij te bedenken, dat ik een paar weken later dezelfde hoeveelheid primo van GG zet en nergens last van heb.
Een klein kind ziet nog dat er iets helemaal niet klopt met die spullen van GS, en ik ga dat ook echt niet onder stoelen of banken steken.
En ja, als ik dan goed ga informeren over die pijnlijke spuitplekken, dan valt het me op dat ik wel vaak deze verhalen van anderen tegenkom met GS....
Dus je kan het nu doen voorkomen alsof ik GS in een negatief daglicht wil stellen, ik plaats alleen feiten.

en over alleen maar negatief praten gesproken, ik ben echt niet te beroerd om ook positief te praten over GS, als ik wat positiefs te melden heb;


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wk 1-8 400mg primo
laatste 3 weken (ofzo) 30mg anavar erbij

spullen waren van GS

8kg gewonnen, 6kg overgehouden.

Ik heb de 8 weken niet eens volgemaakt, omdat ik 1 of 2 spuiten te kort kwam doordat ik beetje gul was met de luchtbellen eruit spuiten....

al met al zwaar tevreden over zo'n klein kuurtje; geen sides, gruwelijke trainingen als een beest, ongekende krachtstoenames, en wat mooie massa aan overgehouden.

nadelen;
- de klap na de kuur viel me toch tegen, best nog wel een terugval wat leidde in een periode van demotivatie.
- de prijs.....maargoed dat wist ik van te voren.
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ik heb hetzelfde kuurtje (30mg var ipv 40) gevolgd enige tijd geleden; was hier zeer te spreken over.

alleen de eerste paar keer beetje last van mijn reet met injecteren.

kilo's kwamen de eerste weken gestaag, maar de laatste 3 weken knalden ze erop; +7kg totaal.
Echter; wel een kg of 2 vocht, ondanks dat dit "niet kon" met primo en var...

van die primo trainde ik al beter, maar toen de anavar inkickte kreeg ik echt gruwelijke pomps + een gruwelijke krachtstoename. Kortom; vol lof over GS.

MAAR; ik ben nu bezig met een turinabol only van GS, zit over de 2 weken, en hier merk ik nog geen ene flikker van, geen noemenswaardige krachts-toename + betere pomps.
En met mij zijn er meer mensen die nu met de t-bol van GS bezig zijn en er tot dus ver niet echt te spreken zijn.
Nu heb ik andere gebruikerservaringen gehoord over de t-bol van MRP; deze waren wel zeer te spreken; goede pomp + krachtstoename.

Dus dat valt me tot dus ver een beetje tegen van GS
(maar let op; ik wil nog geen overhaaste conclusies trekken, want ik ben nog niet klaar....)

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moet jij zeggen met je haat-campagne van enige tijd geleden

maar ik moet je gelijk geven, die anavar van GS vond ik vorig jaar ook THA BOMB, en een paar maten van mij waren er ook zeer te spreken over.
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